CBR 113: Preshow
Thu, 2008-05-01 11:17 — jbearer
- Artist: Craft Beer Radio
- Title: CBR 113: Preshow
- Album: Craft Beer Radio
- Track: 113
- Year: 2008
- Length: 59:09 minutes (20.31 MB)
- Format: MP3 Mono 44kHz 48Kbps (CBR)
Craft Beer Radio is an Internet talk show about craft and micro brewed beers. The mission of the show is to spread the word of good beer. We introduce people to craft beer, and teach them about different beer styles, brewers who make them, and beer history. Whether you are new to craft beer or have been drinking it for more than 20 years we have something for you.
If you have comments or questions that you would like us to read over the air, Email Us.
Comments
Twitter
Penny Arcade posted about Twitter not too long ago:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/4/23/
From the news post:
"The last "tweet" I ever did really explains it all, for me. I was up in Vancouver, and I put up a message saying so, and what kinds of activities I was engaged in. After I did it, I heard a voice - my own voice - saying, "Who the fuck do you think you are? Who are you that you can force your Goddamned minutia on other people, your stupid bullshit, your stone-ground artisanal condiments? How dare you. You should be ashamed." And I was."
Can't really disagree.
Aw, the contrarian speaks
:-) Jeff, stick with it. People can always stop following you if they want. Just like they can stop listening to pre-shows. I find it interesting that he can rant it up for 20-30 minutes on a pre/post-show but doesn't think you should be able to send out a 140 character message to people who choose to receive them?
Greg: leave those people who enjoy Twitter alone and go back to your obscure inside jokes, hidden message boards, and Howard Stern. Any way we can selectively edit Greg out of the pre/post shows? ;-) I'm currently passive-aggressively tweeting my outrage.
And one other thing that's cool? Twitter + beer + maps = cool.
Hey, you can use twitter all
Hey, you can use twitter all you want. I think what got me so worked up was to me the idea that if I were to use this I'd be basically forcing myself on other people. It just feels so wrong to me. It's like Tyco said - why do you want to hear my bullshit? And if you do, you can download the podcast :).
Twitter
I too feel the same way as you Greg about Twitter. I tried it once and set it up to follow some people. I then realized exactly what you said Greg, "WHO FUCKING CARES!?" Then I tried to think when I would actually send out a 'Tweet' myself and figured never. If I have shit to say, I would just say it on a message board, blog, or instant message to my friends or whoever I felt it was worthwhile to send the inquiry to, OR (and here is a fucking bold choice) do it IRL. I think the people who use it that think that people give a shit what they are doing every second of the day are seriously mental, and the people following them are even more insane. Live your own goddamn life.
The problem with what Jeff wants it to be is that people use it for exactly what Greg is saying they are using it for. What Jeff wants it to be could just as easily be used via older and better means on the internet.
Found and replaced
I too feel the same way as you Greg about Podcasting. I tried it once and set it up to follow some podcasts. I then realized exactly what you said Greg, "WHO FUCKING CARES!?" Then I tried to think when I would actually send out a 'cast' myself and figured never. If I have shit to say, I would just say it on a message board, blog, or instant message to my friends or whoever I felt it was worthwhile to send the inquiry to, OR (and here is a fucking bold choice) do it IRL. I think the people who use it that think that people give a shit what they are doing every second of the day are seriously mental, and the people following them are even more insane. Live your own goddamn life.
The problem with what Jeff wants it to be is that people use it for exactly what Greg is saying they are using it for. What Jeff wants it to be could just as easily be used via older and better means on the internet.
Didn't work as well as it could have but ... get it? :-)
Podcasting isn't us sending
Podcasting isn't us sending out podcasts whenever we have a whim or a notice, though. I mean, if you want to listen to it, you get it on the RSS feed, and then you pay attention or listen to it whenever you want, on your own schedule - much like a message board or a blog. Whereas twitters are dancing across your screen or texted to your mobile device whether you want them or not. That's where, I think, the difference comes in.
I suppose you could only choose to view tweets whenever you want to and not instantly, but then you're kind of throwing away the whole point of twitter in the first place.
Lost in translation
I agree that it's not. I was just trying to highlight folks' tendency to embrace whole-heartedly bits and pieces of new ideas while disdaining those who appreciate other bits and pieces as well.
Can't we have a bit of Web 2.0-relativity and just get along? I'm not all that into gaming but I've never gone "WTF?!?!?!? Halo 3?! I spend enough time in front of LCDs 'cause I have to!" Similarly, I've never been in therapy but I don't, then, reject it out of hand because I don't find any utility in it.
C'mon Greg, feel the love. Not that I'd follow your tweets or expect you to follow mine. I'll stick with semi-weekly contrarian rants. :-)
Well...
In one sense, I agree. To each their own. If you really want to use twitter, be my guest. But I had a very visceral reaction to the whole thing. And it was just really me thinking about how *I'd* approach it, how it would work for me, not for anyone else, and it really struck me as being particularly annoying - again, to me. (How many times did I use 'me' in that sentence?)
Basically, it's like I looked at it solely from my perspective and it reminded me of every time I've been frustrated by getting a phone call or an IM while I'm in the middle of doing something (which annoys me to no end, but is a necessary evil), only then multiplied by the amount of people I'm following, multiplied again by the percentage of uselessness in the overall messages. It overwhelmed my senses just thinking about it, and on a day I was walking in frustrated, too. And again, you could choose to ignore it, but then aren't you essentially missing the point of twitter altogether?
It's really for people who want to be in contact with everyone they know of, even people they only tangently know or care about, constantly. It's like being a person who not only tries to get as many "friends" as they can on myspace but wants an update that they read immediately whenever any of those friends or friends of those friends posts something. Like I said, if you're addicted to text messaging, then I can see the appeal, but just imagining it starts to make me angry.
Guess I'm not the intended audience.
Now as for going off on twitter, remember that I didn't do it on a whim. I only went off on it when Jeff was trying to sell me on the concept. I'm happy to let people tweet all they want, but I'm going to react against it when it is proselytized to me the same way I'd react to people coming to tell me all about Mormonism. Is it an apt comparison? To me, it appeared to be something that takes over your life. :)
Preshow beer
Stoudt's Weizen